The Question
Last December, I was involved in several robust conversations with other clinical supervisors about what constitutes “contact hours” for supervisees who are pursuing a license as a Professional Counselor, Clinical Social Worker, or Psychologist. While some states make it very clear what tasks are considered to be acceptable, others do not. And, as eager as supervisees are to get those hours behind them, there are also so-called “supervisors” willing to accept just about anything from reading a book to attending a class for those supervised hours.
The Answer
Here in Colorado, the current standard for licensing Professional Counselors is “applied counseling and psychotherapy.” That translates into assessment, treatment, and discharge planning i.e. time spent with the client. Not reading and research on how to best work with your client , not attending workshops and lectures to further your education, not consulting with colleagues and experts about how to build a private practice, not networking for any purpose, not learning about resources in a particular community to support your client, and not the administrative stuff to keep you in line with your state’s laws. All of that may be necessary but it’s not what is required for clinical supervision. Face time is what is required (by most states) . . . the actual application of the clinical skills that you have learned.
Suggestions for Getting “Extra” Hours In
Licensed Professional Counselor, Mary M. Foster, in Westminster, Colorado was kind enough to give permission for me to share her list of often overlooked ways supervisees might “earn extra credit” for those supervised hours. Here they are . . .
- Find counselors who are already running groups and ask to sit in as a co-facilitator to apply your skills
- Create Anxiety or Depression Screening Days when the annual events come around and apply your assessment skills.
- Volunteer in the Career Counseling center of any local college to apply your guidance counseling skills.
- Offer public support groups at local churches for free to apply your group counseling skills. (These can range from everything from marital to depression, etc.)
- Offer free premarital counseling groups at local churches to apply marriage and family counseling skills. (Tapping into a larger facility like a church brings in members from that facility.)
- See if any local universities are conducting mental health research projects and need help doing intakes or other psychotherapy or counseling tasks.
- Volunteer at Women’s shelters to apply counseling and guidance skills.
It’s a Journey
I know that this can be frustrating for those of you that are new graduates who are already exhausted from completing your graduate work. And, it’s also frustrating for many of you who have been working in agencies for several years and have postponed obtaining your licenses until now. I know! I know!
If this seems a bit like the labor intensive tasks of job hunting or the actual marketing and recruiting of your clients for your own private practice, that fact is not lost on most of us who provide clinical supervision. That is what these “extra” efforts equate to in many ways! Satisfying the requirements to get licensed is not easy . . . . It’s typically not something that materializes over night . . . . And, yes, most supervisors know that you have (or at least want to have) a life beyond pursuit of your license.
For those of you who lean toward the glass-half-empty, you may well find your thoughts turning to “this sucks” and “this isn’t fair” and “woe is me.” For those of you who lean toward the glass-half-full, you may find your thoughts turning to “this could be fun” and “it’s an opportunity to meet new people, learn new things, and move closer to achieving my goals.” Either way, the pursuit of your license really is a journey and you can make of it what you will.
Just know that if you are in pursuit of a slouch-of-a-supervisor who lets you slip and slide along by accruing hours in areas other than applied clinical work, his / her focus is most likely to be on collecting your money rather than meeting your needs as a new professional . . . . And, you deserve better. (Not sure what good clinical supervision looks like? I wrote about Clinical Supervision and ‘Money Gouging’ here.)
Have you had a fabulous experience with your own clinical supervisor? If so, would you take a minute to tell us who that was (and where) and what made that one so special? (And, then make sure s/he knows you said so by redirecting them to this post!)
Brenda Bomgardner says
Tamara,
The topic of hours counted is a much discussed topic in the peer consultation group I host and the coaching group I facilitate. It is a timely topic and I will be sharing your post. To get hours I did the following. I hope the information will be helpful to others.
When, I was working towards accumulating my hours I facilitated a lot of groups. Most of the groups were based on Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). The benefits of offering affordable groups were twofold. My knowledge deepened about ACT as I was actively utilizing it. Hence, my skill level increased in an area I wanted to master. Consequently, I have moved towards being considered a bit of an expert. Yes, I am tooting my horn a bit. It has turned out to be part of my niche.
The other advantage, I put myself in front of possible clients and other mental health professionals. I did not realize it at the time but is turned out to be a great marketing tool. Additionally, I have made some wonderful friends in the mental health community by facilitating workshops. Also, I attracted some awesome clients. And I accumulated hours in every week and every month toward licensure.
The added benefit was an increased level of presentation skills. I know public speaking is an often feared activity. However, the more I do it the better I get.
Mary Foster has good suggestions and I appreciates her ideas.
Warm Regards, Brenda
Tamara Suttle says
Brenda! I’m so glad you are speaking to this issue – both in your consultation group and here, too! You provide an excellent example of what can be done with a little drive and a little creativity! And, of course, it benefits both you and those who are the recipient of your services. One additional benefit that you neglected to mention is that now that you have all that experience with ACT, you have leveraged that into training other therapist on ACT, too!
Brenda Bomgardner says
Tamara, I am grateful for you taking the time to include a link to my website workshop page. Brenda
PS: You are so giving!
Tamara Suttle says
Brenda, I can say the same is true about you. You consistently drop in here to share your ideas and experiences in support of others. What you don’t do is promote your services at every opportunity. (And, I’m so bummed that I cannot join your upcoming ACT training, too!)
Fred says
Hello … another key indicator is your Supervisor. Frequently I ask my Supervisor how he wants me to catagorize a specific activity … since he has to sign off on my hours I let him have the last word.
Tamara Suttle says
Hi, Fred! You’ve be silent for too long around here! I missed your voice! And, yep . . . since your clinical supervisor has to sign off on your hour, you are wise to not expect her to sign off on something that she is uncomfortable counting toward those hours. When in doubt . . . ASK; don’t just assume the hours will count.
Brenda Bomgardner says
Tamara,
I appreciate your encouragement. At the same time I respect your blog “turf”.” I use the word “turf” lightly due to lack of a better word.
I have a story to tell about the shyness of appearing too “self-promoting.” It is loosely related to the conversation about “Personal And Professional Names In Private Practice . . . And One Therapist’s Dilemma.” Perhaps we could talk about it briefly. I think it may be a worthy discussion for PPIO audience.
I have read your guest post guidelines and will submit a idea.
Tamara Suttle says
Looking forward to it already, Brenda! Write away!
Karen says
Tamara,
Thank you for this article. I did want to get some further clarification though. (With the caveat that I am not in CO and you are not in FL so any answer I get will be general in nature.)
I was told by a supervisor in my state that for any of my hours to count, a supervisor would have to have access to any patient records. This was key because though it would be nice to be paid, I do not need a pay check and can even go “in the hole” a bit — so I had been hoping to run some autism groups and I had wondered about counseling at a church (for example) where no fee was being required. I believe that I would have to be working several angles to get enough hours, which would require me to be in a few places. (Rather than just in the next office.) But I was told this was not possible. I have called MQA but they have not responded to my query. I actually wanted to have many projects going because there is such need here in this area and many issues are not addressed at all here. And that would all be “networking” to an extent which would allow me to build a client base going forward (in theory anyway.)
So what say you about how this supervision would “count”? (And again I know this would have to be an agreement between the supervisor and myself — within the bounds of all laws, rules, and regulations.)
Tamara Suttle says
Hi, Karen! Welcome back! I so enjoyed talking with you the other day!
So . . . the definitive answer will come from your licensing board in Florida – not me and not a supervisor. You’ll want to look specifically for the parameters around location. Theoretically, you could be providing counseling in many different agencies, churches, etc. and a clinical supervisor could supervise you. The issue will be whether the state of Florida will actually approve those hours.
Perhaps some states require all supervised hours to take place in one location? I’ve never heard of that. However, I have known some states to require only one clinical supervisor or at least restrict the number of clinical supervisors that could sign off on your hours. That does seem to be more common. (Crazy old Colorado – We could have 300 supervisors if we wanted to!) And, of course, restricting the number of supervisor does add to the continuity of training that one receives under supervision.
I’m not sure why you are referencing a supervisor’s need to have access to patient records. Regardless of the setting, you will need to keep records. And, a supervisor would be . . . well, let’s just say “crazy” to not review your records. S/he is liable for your work including your written work, what you post online (in any format), and how you conduct yourself while under supervision. She should have access and knowledge of your records.
I think I’ve covered everything you have mentioned. If not, feel free to ask again! It’s always good to have your voice here, Karen!
TherapistTee says
Hi Tamara, I’m currently in this situation and I find every aspect of LPC supervision in PA very confusing! Of course I would have to check with state law, but would you know if I could apply radio interviews as licensing hours and volunteering to speak at NAMI events? I have been doing a lot of this lately and would love to use it! I’m just confused as to whether I could use those hours at indirect of direct, or even at all!!!
I would so appreciate your perspective!
Tamara
Tamara Suttle says
TherapistTee, aka Tamara, I cannot imagine that that would count toward clinical supervision (although Pennsylvania laws / licensing boards may state otherwise). Clinical supervision is typically meant to strengthen your counseling skills in assessment, diagnosis, treatment, and discharge planning. While radio interviews and public speaking will serve you well in many different ways, they will not improve your clinical skills.
Once you check with Pennsylvania’s requirements, I hope you will drop back in to let us know what their particular requirements entail. Best wishes on your journey!
TherapistTee says
I certain will, thank you Tamara. All of this licensing stuff can feel like a mountain to climb!
All the best
Tamara Suttle says
Take heart in knowing that it was a mountain for all of us . . . and it is definitely a mountain worth climbing. You, my friend, are almost there and I / we look forward to celebrating with you when that license finally arrives!
Tamara (@therapisttee) says
Thank you, such encouragement! I needed that reassurance, especially in this business. I think our passion for our work can take us a long way. 😉
All the best and thanks again.
Tamara Suttle says
🙂 You are so welcome, Tamara!
Tamara Suttle says
Hey, Tamara – I think I forgot to tell you – You can get a gravatar right here. The instructions are simple and will allow a little image of you to pop up when you comment here or elsewhere.
TherapistTee says
Thank you so much for this! I will check into it and post again!
Tamara Suttle says
You are so welcome, Tamara!
Rini Amato says
Hi Tamara, I’m not sure you’ll get this as this post is several years old, but I figured it’s worth a try. Is this information about accruing hours for LPC still relevant today? I am a Colorado licensed professional counselor candidate and thought I could count indirect/administrative hours (trainings, research, consultations, etc.). Looks like I am wrong and we can only count hours spent with clients. Is this still true?
Thank you!
Rini
Tamara Suttle says
Hi, Rini. Thanks for dropping in here to chat!
I’m sorry to say that to the best of my knowledge Colorado’s licensing board for professional counselors leaves this up to your clinical supervisor’s discretion.
Under my own supervision, I do not count any hours of indirect or administrative work as clinical hours.
To get the most current ruling on this though you will need to contact DORA directly.
Best wishes on your journey!
Nina Carter COhen says
(I’m writing this in February 2023.) There has been so much confusion about CO’s LPC and supervision requirements that I became a squeaky wheel to DORA to find out the scoop. After leaving several messages and sending several emails, I finally spoke to a “licensing specialist” (I think that was her title) and heard straight from her mouth that we now “only” need 1500 direct client hours and 500 “other” over a minimum of 24 months. But they are all referred to as “clinical hours.” The 100-hours-of-supervision requirement is no more; it is up to each supervisor to decide what each supervisee needs…as long as there is “regular supervision” throughout the 2000 hours over the 2-year period. It all sounds very much like an honor system now. All of this changed as of September 25, 2020, probably due to COVID. The other thing I learned, which may or may not help anyone here, is that if someone is in their final semester of a CACREP-accredited Masters program, they can apply for their LPCC with DORA and begin to accrue hours for their LPC. The school needs to fill out a form confirming when their degree will be conferred and the counselor needs to turn it into DORA, along with their transcript thus far. I graduated in December and was able to start counting hours in November when I learned this news. I only wish I’d learned it sooner in the semester! I really wish DORA would remove all of the old requirements from the website and make widespread public announcements about these things. So many folks, including supervisors at my internship, were unaware of these changes. Hope this is helpful to someone at some point! 🙂
Tamara Suttle says
Hi, Nina! Thanks for taking time to drop in here and share what you were told!
I appreciate you looking out for our community here and congrats to you on your graduation, too!
The one thing I would add is that ALWAYS get your “advice” (yes, even from professionals who work at licensing boards, IN WRITING.
Whether you are a new professional or a seasoned professional in mental health, we all mis-speak or misunderstand on occasion; you don’t want to risk your license or ability to practice because someone who had good intentions or someone who was just a little too tired misspoke and you now have to pay the price.
I hope you’ll be back here often to chat! I appreciate your voice here.